the same in russia. that's why it's absolutely natural to pursue this way and be in association and political and civil life. economic side is a little more difficult but they even didn't do this and he understood that he was faced with a problem and he would lose his position. but it happened much faster losing his position because losing legitimacy of other reasons. >> let me pick back up where you began your talk. and you started with 2008 in georgia. clearly, the actions of the west the united states and europe failed to deter putin's conversation of further actions in europe's east in 2008. what will deter president putin right now? what would you be recommending that washington and brussels consider undertaking? you talked about the sanctions but are these sufficient to deter an escalation of his objectives whether it's in ukraine or mold ovea or elsewhere? >> the west should press right now just putin just to make a statement to make a statement groups just rmed to immediately hand over the weapon